People ask me why I hold Karl Rove in such consternation. In a few words I will tell you. I object to his attacks on the Tea Party. I object to his being presented as a person who has concern for conservatives, when we have been the recipients of his derisive statements, lefthanded comments and his outright put downs of Sarah Palin, Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell.
I argue the only reason he apologized for his comments about O’Donnell, was because Tea Party people raised such an uproar. He was forced to grudgingly acknowledge Sarah Palin’s ability and value in winning tough races, such as Nikki Haley’s gubernatorial race in South Carolina. I remember his condescending and disparaging remarks about Sarah Palin’s reality show, which was of tremendous value to the Alaskan tourist bureau. I reject him because he rejects me and countless numbers of others like me who belong to Tea Parties.
He spared no words of blame claiming the Tea Party was responsible for Republicans not gaining the majority in the Senate. The Tea Party, being less than one year old, with no central organization, without powerful big money backers, were about to have 50 percent of their candidates win in the Senate and well over a third of their candidates win in the House – not to mention the hugely successful state and governor races in 2010. The fact that we didn’t support Mike Castle of Delaware, was our prerogative. Castle is a bigger liberal than Arlen Specter and we were right to oppose him. And we would be justified in doing it again.
I understand he is paid to give his opinion. That said I have the right to disagree with his opinion when it comes to Herman Cain. I have presented in detail in my “daily rants,” the allegations of Rove’s involvement in the attacks on Herman.
He gives every appearance of doing his best to undermine Herman’s campaign, while pretending to be objective. He has done nothing but continue to raise the bar at every opportunity. Now he wants Herman to release all of the sealed documents pursuant to his accusers and the National Restaurant Association. First of all, that’s not Herman’s job. Secondly, he is suggesting that Herman dishonor agreed upon actions by parties outside of him. If Herman were to do as Rove suggests, he would be accused of using his position to circumvent legally agreed upon arrangements, for personal expedience. He would be accused of putting himself above the interests of others, yaddy-yaddy-yaddy.
While I’m at it, let me reference Charles Krauthammer, another critic and disparager of Tea Party candidates we support, Sarah Palin specifically. As I have previously written in my syndicated column, Krauthammer was in Jimmy Carter’s administration. He was also part of the super liberal Walter Mondale’s campaign staff. He ridiculed Ronald Reagan and he spoken against Sarah Palin at every opportunity. When he feared Donald Trump would enter the presidential race, he called him vulgar and other unseemly names.
Now he is telling Herman Cain that he shouldn’t blame others for his attacks. What he is implying by saying that is that Herman himself is to blame for the accusers.
Rove served the president who gave us, legendary spending increases and an increased government. Rove served the president who supported amnesty for illegals. Now he and Krauthammer, both of whom have a vested interest in the good old boys network not being changed, are telling us what we should think and telling Herman what he should do? If they cared about us, they wouldn’t publicly savage and privately undermine the candidates we support. If they cared about Herman Cain, one of them wouldn’t as has been alleged, have started the attacks. IF they cared about Herman, they would help him fight these accusers not just for his sake, but out of concern for other candidates.
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OH! Thank you for the very interesting information, NOW I understand why we have been confused! Well, thanks to you, no more! At least no longer confused about Krauthammer.
mrsjb: thk you…the thing that bothers me is their backgrounds and political associations / leanings are hidden from the dialogue…and people not knowing krauthammer types political history buy into his attacks on Palin and the Tea Party…
Things are even worse today. I do not hear a mention of Herman Cain’s name by any of the guests on Fox Network shows. The hosts don’t bring that to the viewers attention either. He is still a double digit 3rd in all polls. The ‘women’ have dissappeared, Gloria Alred has dissappeared, he is up to speed on foreign affairs. His best supporter is Greta Van Sustern who is on vacation. A media ‘black out’ is the most powerful censorship there is and I don’t get it…what is everyone in the media afraid of? A conservative black man who could actually beat Obama? A non-elitist in the White House? Why are they giving Michelle Bachman so much attention? She is in single digits!!
vrenscoe: you are spot on…I have been shouting same thing…that is the point we must make…it is censorship in its rawest form…
Don’t forget that there was a ‘Karl Rove’ before this Karl Rove. His name then was Lee Atwater. And, he repented of his corruption as he was dying from a diseased body. Let’s only hope this current Karl Rove will repent of his dirty tricks, and his predecessor’s fate doesn’t befall him. Mama told me if you play with fire, you’re gonna get burned. Shalom, Ya’ll.
alan: point well made…
Mychal, in addition to Mssrs. Rove and Krauthammer you can add two more names: William Kristol and Paul Gigot. On Fox New Sunday with Mike Wallace this week, Kristol said (I paraphrase), “Let’s be truthful. Herman Cain is not going to be the nominee. He was NEVER going to be the nominee and we all know it.” Gigot said, in effect, that Mr. Cain does not have the ability/talent to be president due to: his organization, or lack thereof, his advisors, his handling of the harassment allegations and, as you say, yada, yada, yada (Seinfeld). The fact of the matter is that I think Rove is not The Architect, but rather The Demolisher. His advice, which GWB apparently took, to not respond publicly to the left’s myriad of lies about him led to W’s very low approval ratings toward the end of his administration and, ultimately, to the election of Barack Hussein Obama. Granted, W was not the most articulate president in history, but nevertheless, his failure to respond to just about every single thing that Democrats said about him naturally led people to believe that everything they said was true.
I don’t know Rove, Krauthammer, Kristol or Gigot other than what I see of them on the news shows or read in their writings, but I’ve recognized them all as members of the GOP elite establishment for a long time now. They may be Republicans (the Rockefeller type), but they are certainly not conservatives. Their ilk has given us Ford, Bush 41, Bob Dole, Bush 43, McCain and now they want to give us Romney. Bush did a great job on national security and the war on terror, but that’s about it. I’m not at all in favor of a third party, but I’m certainly sick and tired of all the moderate nominees forced on us over the past 30 years or so, Reagan excepted, of course.
oldtimer: I would feel better if they said it was their opinion…i’ve heard kristol say that and it really bristles me…it boils to Herman is nice guy but to dumb to be president…that is insulting and demeaning…if he had gone to harvard he could be as dumb as al gore and they would rave about him…well if they would if he went along w/ the party machine…it’s time people stood up and made our voices heard…it bugs me to no end that the elites treat the voters as if they are to dumb to figure things out…kinda like dems treat blacks “shut up and vote the way we tell you – good boy” …as long as we follow party line we’re fine…let us disagree and the party hacks condemn us…
Side Bar:
There is finally conclusive evidence that Osama bin Laden and Muammar Gaddafi are dead.
Yesterday, they both registered to vote in Chicago.
sumitch: did they have their ancestors w/ them…
Maybe the 144 virgins…umm, maybe not virgins.
marilyn: good luck finding any of those in liberal land…
144 goats?
Hard to tell behind the scraggly beards with table cloths on their heads who or what they are related to or with the tarps thrown over their women (at least that’s what they say is under them).
sumitch: hahaha…
MY GUT AND I AGREE…AND I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SAY THAT…BUT THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS I HAVE LOOKED AT HIM WITH CROSSED EYES….I DO NOT TRUST OR LIKE HIM.
josie: i haven’t for a long tiome…
Mychal, you’ve hit the nailS on the headS! Rove and Krauthammer are, in my opinion, just legends in their own minds.
kay shive: media holds them up as go to conservatives…as though they ever had a conservative thought in their lives…
Mr. Rove’s auto-biography demonstrates hundreds of conservative thoughts. The media pundits have not done what Mr. Rove has. He therefore is an appropriate color analyst and commentator. The white board schtick is a part of his signature in strategic meetings. Its memorable and simple.
rabbi eukel: I do not deny him his value to the media he represents…but you cannot put arlen specter over Pat Toomey and claim to be conservative…nor can you support mike castle…nor can you repeatedly ridicule Sarah Palin who is a conservative…
Mr. Rove was the “architect” for two presidential elections. That IS the stuff of legend in the minds of every national campaign strategist.
rabbi eukel: the question that begs answer is what did those successful elections bring us…more spending, more debt, bigger government..sorry my friend I do not share your enthusiasm for his political maneuverings…as a man that you respect I understand…but do not share same…
Rove never made sense to me as a conservative. His seems to want to win at any cost, moral, economic, etc. I listen to him and am negatively impressed by his arguments.
Demonstrate, please, when, where, how of Mr. Rove’s winning campaigns at the cost of morals?
rabbi eukels: specter, castle, chafee, criticism of Sarah Palin, why was he fired in 1992…
david: his arguments are most times against the people we support…he always has a lefthanded or backhanded dig at Tea Party people…
I spoke with Mr. Karl Rove in Overland Park, KS specifically about the T.E.A. Party Patriots phenomenon. Not once did he speak in left-handed or back-handed digs at the T.E.A. Party Patritots. Just sayin’, Mychal. We are responsible for our words. Words convey ideas. Ideas have consequences.
rabbi eukel: and my friend specific to your point…he didn’t voice his lament about conservative Christians publicly…and I am very much aware of what you are saying…that said the time has come for the party to support us not us continue to support a hierarchy that serves themselves while ignoring our interests…I again mention his open ridicule of Sarah Palin…and his blaming the tea party for repubs not taking the senate…50 percent of those we supported won…but he blamed us because we did not support rinos like mike castle of delaware…I should also point out that it was the bush white house that fought us tooth and nail in michigan before we finally prevailed ending prop 2 the michigan civil rights initiative…that ended race/gender based affirmative action…
I think we mostly agree Rabbi. I see Mr. Rove on Fox quite a bit and have viewed his “opinions” as just that, except he presents evidence as to why he says and thinks what he does unlike most other pundits. I may not agree with his position or analysis, but that doesn’t make him a traitor to the cause, which to me is the preservation of the Republic even if it benefits those that don’t agree with me. That was the original idea wasn’t it? If there is evidence that he is wrong about something, I’ve only seen in from the 20/20 perspective of hindsight, never at the time where there could be give and take. I’ve never heard him say any more than he is not for such and such and here is why ….As for him being against Ms. McDonald, you betcha.
Sarah is a great cheerleader, but I don’ think she’s ready for prime time yet and maybe never will be. Still, she’s smart enough to make millions and I was dumb enough to trust Enron, so maybe my opinion isn’t valid. Giving up the governor’s job was not the mark of a leader in my opinion, but an opportunist. It put her high tone praise of her state to question. AA Texan would never do that ;-).
Being against someone’s opinions or something else should only be a reason for discussion and debate, not name calling and mud slinging. As for the TEA party, I’ve signed up with them locally and never received any information except where to send money. Until I see the local group doing something positive that I can agree with and do something about, they’re just another bunch among hundreds with their hands out.
It’s lonely and tough at times being unaffiliated and independent of organized political parties. There’s always someone sniping, no matter what side of the debate you’re on. But I don’t trust either of them anymore than I can throw a brick. Just because I despise Obama doesn’t make me a Republican or Tea Partier. It just shows intelligence on my part (blushing comment). In here I may find those that don’t march to the same drummer as I do, but that’s never resulted in a name calling contest.
ABBO & Who is John Galt?
sumitch: I can agree to disagree which is what Rabbi and I are doing…that said over the yrs of watching political jackals at work from inside the beltway i have developed a well earned disrespect for them…
Exactly right Mychal. And I’ve developed the same disrespect for the D C jackals as you and the same agreement to disagree, even if I vote for them. Trust but verify eh?
sumitch: I refuse to vote for them…
It was tough for me to vote for McCain, but I had to cancel out my sister’s vote for Barry O.
sumitch: was easy for me to do write in…
That almost sounds like something out of “Dune” Rabbi.
That should have followed you comment at 5:53 PM Rabbi.
sumitch: “dune” the unedited version…I actually just watched that few nights ago…
The movie with Kyle MacClanahan followed the book(s)pretty well, but reading the book(s) (the series) fleshed out a lot of confusing points. Still, I got the part about words have a sound and a sound has power etc etc
sumitch: it is good movie…I’ve seen it several times…started the book but never finished it…
There’s a whole series of Herbert’s “Dune” books. Gets pretty convoluted after a couple thousand pages. But who knows what the universe will be like in a few thousand years? They are pretty good, but no “Lord of the Rings”
sumitch: lord of the rings stands alone…a masterful work…
Ever since I have known Rove he has played a key role in running campaigns for the Bush family. He supported these people when they:
Bush 41: Signed the Rio Accords aka Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development.
Bush 41: Announced on 9/11/2001 to the UN about establishing a “New World Order” organized pursuant to the Rio Accords.
Bush 41: Appointed his son Bush 43 to serve on the Commission for Science and Technology.
Clinton 42: Created the Commission for Sustainable Development (CSD).
Bush 43: Implemented the recommendations of CSD.
Bush 43: Government spending designed to collapse the American Economy making way for a new Global financial structure.
Obama 44: Accelerated government spending to further collapse the system.
Romney or Perry 45: Continue the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama campaign to destroy America.
So there you have it. It is time for America to Wake Up, because the secret to Karl Rove’s strategy is purely a system of mathematics and has nothing to do with ideology.
Huh?
rodney r stubbs: he hates perry which is why he initially sabotaged Herman in such a wat as to allow them to think it was perry…
Rodney, I can’t see that either of the Bush clan were out to destroy the United States. Clinton was and is only after money and power like Hillery tells him to be. Now Obama? He’s out to take this great nation down and has enough fools following him to be doing a pretty good job of it.
sumitch: there are varying degrees and definitions…
Shalom, Mychal ~ Given that only one here (now two), so far, disagrees with you and your raucous fan club about Mr. Karl Rove, I enter cautiously into the fire-storm of your rant.
Forgive me, my friend, if I do not read your daily rant, daily. Factual statements you may have made in one of those rants against Mr. Rove, I do not see. It seems to me that from your level of leadership you have an obligation to lead inside your rant with facts.
I, too, am involved in the T.E.A. Party Patriot movement. In fact, it was Ramble & Rumble with Rabbi! that carried the breaking story of the Atlanta T.E.A. Party being cancelled and moved to a different venue enfolding with another event. The T.E.A. Party Patriot organizers folded when a Simon Properties mall manager challenged their venue being held next to a Simon Malls property (but not on it).
When folk are “newbies,” as are/were many in the T.E.A. Party Patriot movement, elementary mistakes are made. Passion does not replace proper procedures. When Mr. Karl Rove identifies weaknesses of a passionate-leaderless organization, such as the T.E.A. Party Patriot movement, he is not opposing, but analyzing. We lost a “conservative” congressional race in SWMO because of passionate folk who did not know how to enlarge their tents for elective victory.
Mr. Charles Krauthammer, Ph.D. provides both in writing and commentary the exercise of cerebral muscle. It seems to me that Ronald Reagan’s ability to communicate came as a result of being well-read, even with those with whom he opposed strongly.
Mr. Herman Cain has a compelling story, is an optimistic communicator of the American people and our dreams, and certainly is more authentic of our founding principles than the current occupants of the White House. That being said, he is not well served by his current senior campaign staff or volunteers. That is a leadership issue.
Cain, should he continue to be in the top three of the GOP nominee, and still is weak in communicating a muscular foreign policy where POTUS has the vested Constitutional authority, will not be the best conservative we can offer. Congressman Ron Paul is also a one-dimensional domestic candidate. America as the only super-power in the world can and must elect a POTUS who can walk, chew gum and deliver the pizza all at the same time!
rabbi eukel: had to respond again…fingers got in the way and I sent first response into cyberspace…rove was tutorial and showed interest in tea party when he thought we would march in lockstep w/ party ideals…but when we dared to think for ourselves we became an offense to him…late in 2002 an unimpeachable source told me who rove had openly lamented having to use the conservative Christian base to get bush re-elected…he had to apologize on air publicly per his disparaging remarks about Christine O’Donnell…he ridiculed Sarah Palin and he did his best to undermine Michael Steele not least of which by setting up the shadow rnc…he supported mike castle, arlen specter, lincoln chafee, and other rinos not because they represented the interest of conservatives…but because they represented a seat…rove isn’t the solution…he is part of the problem…his thinly veiled critcism of Herman isn’t meant to be constructive it is meant to be destructive in the eyes of the voterate…everything I have said of him is accurate…and I do not retreat from it…Herman Cain unlike obama knows how to set good people around himself and how to manage their advice…that said…let’s not over dramaticize the middle east…it is a hot bed…but it doesn’t demand that which Herman is incapable of…people hail fdr and his foreign policy was tto kiss the feet of “uncle joe” and we know how that worked out…rove’s history of dirty tricks is well documented by more than me…his tutorial instruction we have long noticed is done w/ a left hand when it comes to Sarah Palin and other tea party conservatives…this is a new day…people are not inclined to continue business as pawns to do the bidding of the party…we are capable of thinking for ourselves…I should also point out that w/ out organization, big money backers and party support…in fact in the face of party/rove opposition…we did a historical job in 2010…
Mychal, you express my sentiments exactly! Thank you!
freedom fannie: thk you much my friend…
Mychael, interesting reply to ArizonaGuy. If you don’t hold your nose and vote, then do you not vote at all? Seems like I’ve been holding my nose and voting for the 20 years I have had the “privelege” of doing so. You’ve got me freakin’ out here Mychal -please explain.
Back on “rant” topic: Did you see Rove’s dance at the Press Club Dinner several years ago? It was tragic!! You are correct in your assessment of Mr. Rove – but, then again, it appears that ANYONE inside the Beltway are so out of touch with mainstreet America that they are incapable of understanding “our” connection to Herman Cain and his message. Hopefully, with the Lord’s help and the diligence of all of us, we won’t have to hold our noses and we can get some new blood inside the Beltway!!!
lotow: my point is as it was in 2008…I will no longer hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils…that only assures us of a lesser evil but evil nonetheless…if I/we continue to let them undermine the candidates we wnat while pretending to provide a choice as they push forward the likes of romney, mike castle, arlen specter over Pat Toomey we will forever be nothing more than the useful pawns to satisfy their desires not ours…
I contend that people who are paid to speak their opinions are sooner or later going to think that their opinions are those of some masses. I do think that at times Krauthammer and Rove both make points with some validity I dont think either one are the end all be all of conservative thinking by any means. They are after all , JUST some personal opinions.
rod g: well said…I agree…from time to time they say something I agree with…and they are entitled to their opinions…but they are entitled to expect blind allegiance…
I don’t agree with any of the things you’re saying about GWB! First of all, you have to remember that the Democratic CONGRESS took over January 3, 2007! The increases of which you speak were as a result of a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS.
Secondly, I think people are misreading Rove’s cautionary comments as negative when in reality he is saying it as he sees it at the time. I don’t think he is incapable of changing his mind. I think people are taking him too literally, and putting words in his mouth. He never says the things he is accused of saying. He is not pro or con anything. He states things as he sees them. He’s very pragmatic and bases his assumptions on the past experience he’s seen. Things are not as they were in the past, the Tea Party is a whole new animal. He has been cautious about it. I think, however, he is coming around. He’s a good conservative. I think he is being misread and misunderstood. He never says he doesn’t believe in the Tea Party. He never says so and so can’t win. He may appear to be negative in some of his assumptions. I think it’s merely caution.
wishladya: I respect your opinion…but disagree…bush was a big government big spender globalist…I helped carry the water for him for both of his terms…but I was a vocal critic of no chlid left behind, his disastrous medicare prescription plan, his support of amnesty for illegals and his gloating of same from sofia…I applaud and supported his wars…I think he was an honorable man…but I disagreed w/ his policies…I was outraged and remain so pursuant to his allowing our border guards to suffer in jail for doing their jobs…before finally granting them partial pardons before he left office…
Absolutely correct, This type of information needs to make it to the state owned media outlets.
ben: people need to be informed…
You are 100% correct. Rove and Krauthammer have DINO RINO split personalities. They actually think they know more than anyone else. Kind of like Chris Matthews thinking Obama has a high IQ…you’ve got to be kidding.
roy: they definitely think all wisdom rises and sets on them…
they have made their living off the status quo and hate the thought of losing their status and paychecks.
dmacleo: you are exactly right…status and spkg fees…
I wasn’t raised in uptown, but, DOWNtown we’d call that guy a putz.
(we had other words, but this one will suffice)
danbubalo: which guy is that…
ROVE.
danbubalo: yo cannot trust him…he will do his all to diminish the Tea Party…we not just a threat to him but he hates that we spurn his instructions…
If anybody should scream harrassment it should be Herman Cain. Between Rove, those women, the press and the lefties, He’s being screwed, blued and tattooed. Next thing you know they will be calling him devil incarnate.
Ginny,
I always say reemed, steamed, and dry-cleaned, but we’re mo-definitely on the same page.
danbubalo: not at all he is standing tall…he did great job in debate tonight…and the young people at college tonight supported him and booed down commentator when they tried to sully the debate…
I did think it showed some respect for him when the crowd booed at the mention of the bimbo herd and their so called lawyers trying to trash him. At least that’s the way I took it.
sumitch: it showed huge amount of support and respect….it also said hands off…
ginny: they’ll wheel out girl scouts claiming he stole cookies at their cookie sale next…
Rove is a popinjay with, literally and figuratively, an over-sized head and a mouth to match, whose goal is feeding an insatiable ego, and who is more interested in shaping opinion than listening to it.
danbubalo: his goal is king making or better put…his goal is the maneuvering the process for same…
In my opinion Rove has never been a friend of conservatives.
arizona guy: amen to that…he most certainly has not…and while bush was likable honorable president he was a big government, big spender, pro illegal, pro amnesty, globalist….i wrote column about same yrs back…he is the reason I wiil never hold my nose and vote lesser of evils again…