I have a few questions pursuant to certain findings in the just released McClatchy-Marist poll that shows Obama’s numbers plummeting like a rock.
The poll found that a whopping 62 percent of the people think the country is heading in the wrong direction under Obama. My question is this: What changed their minds? He won reelection with 51 percent of vote — now we’re told that nearly two-thirds of the people think he’s leading the country in the wrong direction? I’d like an explanation on that dramatic swing in opinion. Unless we’re to believe two-thirds of the people thought he was leading the country over the abyss and voted for him anyway.
Despite the uptick in the stock market and the increase in jobs due to seasonal hiring and manipulation of the numbers, 62 percent of the people believe we are still in a recession, 41 percent of the people believe they will be no better off in the coming year, and 36 percent believe they will be worse off. My question is — did the recession not matter to these people in November 2012 when he was reelected?
I’m not overly surprised that 48 percent of the voters disapprove of his job performance; that number is consistent with the 48 percent who voted against him. But the following numbers raise substantial questions in my mind.
Only 42 percent of the voters think Obama has a better approach to the deficit than Republicans while 44 percent of the voters believe the Republicans have a better approach to the deficit than Obama, with 15 percent unsure. What were these people thinking as Obama was running up $6 trillion in new deficits in less than his first term?
And finally, the statistics that I cannot wrap my mind around find that 65 percent of voters disapprove of Congressional Republicans with 62 percent of voters disapproving of Congressional Democrats. Which brings me back to my oft-stated statistic — that in the 2012 general election 94 percent of Congressional incumbents were reelected to a Congress which had a 9 percent approval rating.
What were these people doing and/or thinking in November when they voted for a mega helping of more of the same? And please don’t tell me Obama stole the election or some falderal like that. I’m not buying into that line of reasoning. What I am prepared to entertain is that we have a tremendous number of low-info voters who believe whatever they are told to believe from hour to hour. I am also prepared to argue that had the Republicans nominated a better candidate they would have won in a landslide.
That said, I am inclined to think that the Republicans committing themselves to another John McCain which ensured they would lose was a good thing because the machinations of Karl Rove and the Party hierarchy so angered conservatives that for many it was the last straw. Which could just lead to enough disgust with the way Republicans are treating conservatives that they will refuse to go along with the establishment dictates.
Seeing conservatives withholding their money and votes from the Republican Party and giving same to authentic conservative candidates is the best thing that can happen for the good of the Party.
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Lori: how do you know Sarah Palin did not use
A TelePrompTer? Because you said she didn't? I will find a pic that shows her speech on TelePrompTer she did on CPAC. Besides that, everyone else who spoke at CPA
C had TelePrompTers in front of them. Are you going to say none of the speakers used them?
In my humble opinion, the Republican Party showed its willingness to be defeated when there was no outcry or attempt to debunk the claims made against Herman Cain, hence many did not vote out of a lack of confidence. The one candidate who had a real chance of changing the demographic vote was laughed out of the race as Axelrod and Allred knew he would be. My fear is that by the time 2016 rolls around and the nation will have grown so tired of a black (although he should be referred to as mixed since his parentage is black-white) president that an Allen West or Condalezza Rice presidency will be out of the question, as might that of any Republican "minority" candidate and the Democrats will put in another socio-communist to further lead us down the paths of destruction and deterioration.
I can tell you how it happened right here with people I personally know. They didn’t like either candidate so they stayed home and elected not to vote. What a shame at least vote for the least objectionable candidate. By not voting you do not have the privilege of complaining. I have 2 family members who did not vote, when they complain I quietly tell them since they chose not to vote last year then I choose not hear them complain this year.
The only hope we have at this time is impeachment and trial. And we all know that isn’t going to happen. So the alternative is get off your backside, stop complaining and vote out of office as many of the senators and representatives who have been around more than 20 years when the election comes in 2014 . And there are a lot of them from both parties. Start with a clean slate and maybe some of these up and coming younger men and women can actually work together and accomplish something.
Mychal, I believe it was a combo of voter fraud and conflict of interest in this nation. Half of this nation is living off the other half, that half could care less if the economy gets better. Conflict of interest combined with low info voters and voter fraud.
When you vote stupid, then you get stupid, and that is exactly where we are, stupid. We have been dumbing down schools for over 40 years, and it only takes one generation with limited knowledge to lead the next generation with more limited knowledge.
People vote for the freebies they think they are getting, and get upset when the freebies run out. Anyone voting for O in the first place, got exactly what they voted for, a man with no experience at anything. Exactly how did they think he was going to run a country? The other thing people vote for is name recognition, not what the person can and cannot achieve, thus we have the same dimwits in Congress year after year. It is time to dump everyone and start over, but first we have to educate the populace.
Did you see the interview of people who voted Obama. Most were soooooo ignorant and illiterate. They haven't a clue what is happening in the world today. Obama is part of the ingorant voters who he can only identify with. The other side of Obama is watched over and controled by his Muslim commanders. I have to say American leaders are just as ignorant to let this go on so long they now can do nothing. Obama can not be Impeached even though he is ineligible to hold title, because of a law in the Constitution where he is elected by the people (even though it was a fraud vote) keeps him from Impeachment. But there are issues where he could be Impeached or prosecuted. Problem is Obama now has all his crooks and Muslims in the whitehouse to protect him and Congress doesn't want the legal headache. So what do they do? They just let Obama destroy our country. Pathetic! Oh, and these same congressmen made a lot of money from the lobbiest which is why they did not do a damn thing early on when they knew Obama was a crook and criminal. Now I think it is too late without war.
Mychal,
we had the same numbers before the election and directly after the election. The majority didn’t want ObamaTaxCare, thought that we’re heading in the wrong direction, etc. – but he was elected anyways, because (that was the result of the exit-polls) the people agreed more to the Republicans in the issues but thought the Democraps “care more” about the people (read: give more freebies). Add the voter fraud to it and the fact that many real conservatives just stayed at home because they thought that Romney isn’t much better, a liberal lite, and you know why we have a 2nd Obama-term.
And now the brain-dead Republican establishment slides in direction center-left, because these morons think that they can get the votes of some disappointed Lefties. Unfortunately they forget that for every vote they get from center-left, they will lose 10 votes from their basis, because they just stay at home on election day.
Ted Cruz got it right (unfortunately he’s one of only an few…): the Republicans must stand to their principles and values! The Conservative “product” is the better one, the problem is the sales-staff who doesn’t have a chance against the snakeoil-salesmen from the other side. The GOP needs a better marketing and a fresh sales-staff. That’s the only way to win again!
Yep, "journalists" and "bloggers" show all the time how they play with numbers. The "tumble" shows an 8% drop out of 1233 people who were polled. About 154 people changed their opinion about the President's job performance.
The 38%….well that number was hit in November 2011. Name any president-democrat or republican who has NEVER had dips and peaks in popularity.
Last, this is people's OPINION: the facts show otherwise:
McClathchy's explanation for the decline in numbers:
<<“You remove the electoral context and post-election celebration, and some of the numbers are returning to the dissatisfaction people had,” said Lee Miringoff, the director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion at Marist College in New York, which conducted the poll.>>.
In other words: it is apparently normal for dissatisfaction to return to lower levels AFTER an election.
Here is the last point I will make:
<<Indeed, despite gains in jobs and the stock markets, voters think by 62-34 percent that the country is still in a recession.
So despite the doom, gloom, and bias, there are gains in the employment and the stock market.
And to take out the "commentator bias," I took all my info and quotes from Mcclathy's page about the poll.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/03/11/185487/mcclatchy-marist-poll-shows-obama.html
Mychal, Great think-through. I got lost at 62.
2012> It was my understanding that quite a few people never voted because they didn’t agree with Obama or Romney and they didn’t want to vote for a third party. Some American Citizens never vote because they think their vote doesn’t count. So, in that mix of numbers that you have, it is safe to say that even the non-voters want to voice their opinion about Obama. Perhaps we are hearing from the retired service personnel now and that, too, could cause the dislikes for Obama to elevate.
We all know there was voting fraud. Most presidential elections have fraud. Until someone comes up with a fool-proof way for voters to vote once for a nominee of choice, there will always be fraud. It may have helped had all overseas Military been able to cast their votes because we are almost certain that the majority of Military votes would have been for Romney or an Independent but not Obama. And, Obama knew this. I only know of Two airplanes that had presidential votes on board never made it to the U.S.A.; one, not in time. Who knows how many service people never received their ballots!
The other thought is that since the second term has begun, Obama is moving through like Sherman through Atlanta. People are beginning to feel the pangs of ObamaCare and increased taxes on the middle class which Obama said he would not do. And, the gun control issue is HOT. Between those three homeland issues, he has lost his cover-up and a good number of followers. And, a BIG ONE, During Obama’s second run, he has also threatened killing Americans on American soil. No one wants to think that some drone will mow them down while they have lunch at Panera! Obama keeps the illegals in mind and wants to give the freeloaders citizenship. After Americans paid for their housing, health care and education, he wants to reward illegals! WHAT! Over 300 billion American Tax Dollars PER YEAR has been poured into taking care of illegals while millions of Americans go without work.I think that some eyes are being opened and people are voicing their real opinions of this pretender in Chief.
A good number of Americans are looking at the Military and watching Obama shrink it to “cut costs.” Military using higher educational benefits are now on their own to pay their fees. This makes a lot of unhappy campers! Military who had health care are now faced with finding another source to make up for Tri Care. All of these benefits WERE part of the package deal when men and women joined the service of their country. They accepted lower wages because they knew that if they lived through all the hell of wars and policing other countries to protect every American’s Liberty, they had health care for the rest of their lives and they had the opportunity to better educate themselves. That was a promise that was broken by this president. So, yes, we should have a number of people who have changed their minds about this president.
I never changed my mind. I still think he’s a street organizer – A very dangerous street organizer.
First, I am not one that holds much creedence to “polls”.
#1. I do believe there was voter fraud.
#2. We sold the rights to process our votes to a company in Spain called SCYTL. No investigations by the federal elections comittee was ever done. (Kinda Fishy!)
#3. Obama allowed an influx of illegal aliens to enter our country and vote.
#4. Right before the elections, Obama announced he supported gay marriage. (That bought him some more votes.)
#5. The under educated. Some blacks vote for him because he is black. Many, many people have absoloutely no interest in politics. They either don’t vote, or just vote for someone’s name that sounds familiar. Since kids are being taught early in life about socialism, and most colleges are filled with liberal professors, they are brainwashed. Some will “buck” the system for any reason. Remember the days of drugs and Woodstock? Burn your bra, and don’t trust anyone over 30? This is like a role reversal. Let’s vote for someone that doesn’t seem to like the system. Maybe socialism is a good idea. (Like I stated earlier…..uneducated.)
I think our voting system is corrupt. Add to that, the uneducated people that do turn out to vote, and you have a lethal combination from that group, not to mention the idiots already running the country. We have neighbors that we talk with on ocassion. They are now retired. He was an engineer at Boeing. She was a high school teacher. Somehow my husband brought up something about the 2nd amendment last week. They both looked like a “deer in the headlights”. Hadn’t a clue what any of the amendments are. The Bill of Rights. The Magna Carta, etc. And these two are brighter than most the people in our neighborhood. Yep….there goes the neighborhood. AND, worse yet, they vote!
Socialism belief is that "the end justifies the means" ! So why are we so surprised that this last election has so many signs of wide spread voter fraud ! We must keep vigilante and not allow our voices not be heard ! Thanks again Mychal Massie, keep up the good work on the information you share. Bravo!
You are right, Rob: Republicans in Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, Florida, tried to suppress the minority vote in those states, but were overturned by REPUBLICAN judges in Pennsylvania and Texas. The GOP spent millions on Nate Spruill, who was a voter organizer who already did time in jail for voter fraud.
As for socialism, I hope you know when you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you are saying words penned by a socialist. Look it up and see for yourself. Quite a few people on the right favor lower taxes and cuts for the rich. To do those things, cuts are made from programs in other areas.
In other words, when you take from one group and give to another that is still SOCIALISM, even if wealth is distributes from lower classes to higher.
Courtney, most of the gov programs should not exist. Businesses need to make it on their own merit as well as people. I have heard people talk about repubs being for big business , but, in the last year I have done much research and my findings show that Dems are pro big business. I have wondered why? I cannot prove the why of it but I have an idea of the reason and am researching that idea to determine if it has merit. In all honesty, I think you are hood winked along with all of us. I think what we see in gov is a dog and pony show and has been for many years. As far as the "the socialist" there are many informational sources in regards to that and some of those sources indicate otherwise. Socialism is not new Courtney, it fails Courtney. You are a well written man Courtney with some good information , however, you appear to be biased , not looking at the truth on both sides?
Well Mindy, since you are so into research, then you will find in most studies it is people who vote for Republicans in red states who are receiving the MOST government programs and assistance.
And if socialism is so bad, Mindy, how come so many people on the right down universal health care and individual mandates were first implemented by the Founding Fathers. I will give you the link to see for yourself.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/102620/individual-mandate-history-affordable-care-act#
If socialism were so bad, how come the US is ranking 30 and below behind countries that have socialized medicine like France?
http://www.businessinsider.com/best-healthcare-systems-in-the-world-2012-6?op=1
Sorry I am not hoodwinked. I just don't buy what the author is saying. When I first posted on this page, I listed what MCCLATHY said, the ones who did the poll, not the author. You, apparently like many others, seem to gravitate to black voices who love down other black people. Why black liberals are such an obsession for many conservatives I am not sure why.
You won't find too much truth here. But for many, the author reinforces many stereotypes people have about blacks anyway.
Nonsense, Courtney. You're simply making things up as you go along. Show me the links to the research that shows that most of the people voting Republican in red states are receiving the most govt. assistance. You know as well as I do that the vast majority of the people on the most public assistance are from the inner cities. Yes, there are people in rural areas who receive assistance, but the majority live in the big cities. You also know that the people in the big cities vote Democrat the majority of the time. You make a lot of intelligent sounding statements about the issues, but please post links to actual studies and research that prove what you're saying is correct. As for the links on socialism, try just looking at countries in which socialism has been the norm for many years. Russia, Greece and North Korea all come to mind. Their economies are in the toilet, their people are barely scraping by (except those in power, of course) and things only continue to get worse. Sure, socialism sounds great in the abstract but it fails in the actual implementation. Here is a good article that explains why socialism fails: http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/why-socialism-failed#axzz2NcuhSZpj I have yet to find even one candidate – liberal or conservative – who hasn't said something that can be perceived as racist, by the way. You love to point out conservative racism but I've found liberal blacks to be some of the most racist people I've ever met. I am multi-racial, personally, and find racism to be simply antithetical. There is only ONE race – the HUMAN race. The only reason that you and I are different is because you have more melanin in your skin cells and we were raised by different parents, in different communities and were taught in differing ways. If, however, you were dying of kidney disease, my kidney would save your life as well as any black, asian, hispanic or caucasian's would. Why? Because we are of the same species (race). There is only one race. Anyone who makes a big deal about the differences in the 'races' or constantly cries racism is racist, because they are trying to compare and separate the people by the various areas from whence they sprang and by the various shades of their skin. There are no separate races, there is only one – the HUMAN race.
Courtney Sherrod I have to laugh at your stale attempts to say that voter ID laws are intended to suppress minority votes. Balderdash, to put it nicely. Voter ID laws are intended to stop voter fraud. I know of NO minorities who don't have photo ID – absolutely NONE and I know a lot of minorities. Oh, sure, I'm sure there are a few out there who don't – mostly illegal aliens – but since you need a photo ID to cash checks, get a credit card, open a bank account or rent an apartment (and many, many more activities), almost every adult in this country who is here legally has one. Therefore, to say that voter ID laws are just to suppress minority votes is ridiculous. Yes, they might keep some people from voting, but the numbers would be very low. In fact, one of the star witnesses in the PA voter ID lawsuit went down and got herself an ID a day later. http://www.humanevents.com/2012/08/17/the-star-witness-against-pennsylvania-voter-id-just-got-herself-an-id-card/
Stop trotting out stale excuses and admit the truth- the evidence of voter fraud in the 2012 election is overwhelming – and it wasn't the republicans who were doing it. Numerous districts that saw thousands more votes than there were actual registered voters. Numerous districts that saw 100% Obama votes (so the republican candidates for local and state offices in those districts also voted for him? WOW!), numerous claims from republican poll watchers that they witnessed fraud and were thrown out or ignored if they tried to do anything about it, numerous claims from people who tried to vote for Romney and had their electronic voting machines register their votes as "Obama", instead (I've actually spoken to some of them). The fact is that Obama won this election by cheating and there is ample evidence that he did the same thing in the last election, as well. Oh, but don't forget to claim that I must be a racist by saying that he didn't win legally or fairly – stay in character, by all means.
Making stuff up, am I? Here are the words of the people themselves who tired to suppress the minority vote:
Florida:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/26/1234171/florida-republicans-admit-voter-suppression-was-the-goal-of-new-election-laws/
Ohio:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/169454/ohio-gop-admits-early-voting-cutbacks-are-racially-motivated#
Pennsylvania and other states:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/170287/courts-block-gop-voter-suppression-laws
In some of these states REPUBLICAN judges struck down voter ID laws.
And since you and other still remain fixated that this election was stolen:
How many votes were illegal? In which did voter fraud occur? How many illegal votes were for Romney and how many were for President Obama.
Would reversing the counts change the election?
Lori Toupal. See for yourself the food stamp use is highest where states traditionally vote republican.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/14007/food-stamp-use-is-highest-in-red-states-the-truth-republicans-do-not-want-you-to-know
As for socialism, Lori, you and others are ready to decry why it does not work, yet it is woven until the fabric of society-long before Barack Obama became president. Universal Health Care was first implemented by the Founding Fathers. The government subsidies corporations through tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. You want to highlight countries that fail, but the bottom line is there are close to 30 other countries that have healthier people, lower infant mortality rates and less costs per citizen who are receiving quality heath care-some under socialist policies.
You have a good point about race and it is indeed true there is only one race-the human race- but you say these things on a page that the author specifically uses stereotypes to divide. He specifically talks about race on a daily basis…..and his topics are negative. You say black are the most racists…..on what basis?
Because most blacks voted for President Obama, perhaps? Well let me debunk this. If you call black liberals racist because we supported President Obama, then you have to call every black conservative who support Herman Cain racist also. Check any black conservative blogger or Facebook page, and the majority of them supported Herman Cain. It does not matter what justification is used, but was it a "coincidence" that they thought he was BEST qualified?
It is so ironic that many conservative and tea party supporters say they want race not to be a factor, but why is it the majority of the topics about black liberals, welfare, abortion, and calling people negative name if race does not matter?
Courtney, I didn't say that blacks are the most racist. I said that some of the most virulently racist people I have ever met were black liberals. There are a lot of non-racist blacks, just as there are many non-racist people of other skin tones. As for what some conservatives say that may or may not be 'racist' or negative toward blacks, some of which may be racially motivated and some of which may be simply true (such as someone saying "more black babies are aborted than any other race" – which is the simple truth, whether it's one that blacks want to admit or not), to lump all conservatives into one basket because a few have said such things is simply ridiculous. I'm not lumping all blacks who voted for Obama into one group, I'm speaking specifically about the ones who voted for him simply because he's black. Not because he's a democrat, not because he's capable, not because he was the best man for the job, because his skin tone is light brown and his father was born in Africa. That is RACISM, plain and simple. As for black conservatives who support Herman Cain, if the only reason they supported him was because he was black then they, too, are guilty of racism – as is any caucasian who voted for Romney simply because he is caucasian. As for your post of the food stamp map, it may be true that food stamp use is high in some of the red states. However, I note that it is very low in at least 7 of the red states and very high in at least five of the traditionally 'blue' states and that;s just from a cursory look at it. It's obvious that the writer of this article, who is a liberal and writes many anti-conservative stories, was twisting the data to fit what he wanted it to fit. Anyway, as I said in my other post to you, I give up even trying to discuss this with you because you insist on twisting my words and pulling up liberal website drivel to try to prove your point. You don't care if you're actually right, you just care that you can try to prove me wrong. Debate is lost on one who cannot see anything but his own opinion.
@Lori Toupal.
<<Anyway, as I said in my other post to you, I give up even trying to discuss this with you because you insist on twisting my words and pulling up liberal website drivel to try to prove your point. You don't care if you're actually right, you just care that you can try to prove me wrong. Debate is lost on one who cannot see anything but his own opinion. >>
Well you are trying to have it both ways. You feel everything I say in an opinion-until I post documentation to prove you wrong, at which point you try to say, "Well it is biased anyway." But you cannot say a word when I post stuff from CONSERVATIVE sites to prove my point.
<< You don't care if you're actually right, you just care that you can try to prove me wrong.>>
Oh, I do care. And what I try to prove is that for all the bluster about what liberals do, the conservatives and tea party are not faring any better. Unlike you I read both liberal and conservatives pages.
<< Debate is lost on one who cannot see anything but his own opinion. >>
When you first posted, I guess you were not counting on a liberal to post replies and refute what you are saying. My information is back with facts-whether you want to acknowledge that or not. You have posted one link to support anything to say, so it all you have offered is opinion. I guess you lost then, is that correct?
I posted quite a few links, Courtney. There are a ton of links on democrat voter fraud. I just didn't want to take the time to look them up and post them. Here's one: http://www.truethevote.org/news/eighth-democrat-named-in-new-york-vote-fraud-probe and here is another:http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57539706/congressmans-son-resigns-after-voter-fraud-video/, but I'll let you go look up more. I do read both kinds of websites, actually. I also watch CBC/NBC/ABC just as much as I watch FOX (actually I watch them more).
Courtney Sherrod Oh, wait, here's one more just for good measure. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/340174/voter-fraud-never-happens-keeps-coming-back-john-fund I knew you'd claim that you 'won' when I said I gave up trying to debate it with you. No, I don't feel I've lost, I'm just tired of being misquoted and having my words twisted.
So when it is all said and done, then, according to the slant of the website reporting the issues there was voter fraud from both sides of the political spectrum. You can also go on You Tube to see Republican and Democratic voting machines changing votes from Obama to Romney and Romney to Obama. Regardless, though, you cannot attribute President Obama's victory just to "fraud". 3 million conservatives stayed at home in November, and no one from the right seems to want to confront the conflicting messages coming from Republicans and conservatives. The Tea Party could not produce a strong candidate as well.
Off subject, but something with a twist of irony. As much as the right still wants to bring up the "teleprompter" excuse when it comes to President Obama, here is Sarah Palin at the CPAC. Look closely to the right of her. What is she speaking from:
A teleprompter.
http://twitchy.com/2013/03/16/boom-sarah-palin-mocks-media-
who-came-to-cpac-to-write-conservatives-in-crisis-stories/
Ah, but Courtney, if you actually WATCH the speech you'll see that she isn't using it. You should watch the speech. She makes a great deal of sense.
Lori: how do you know Sarah Palin did not use a TelePrompTer? Because you said she didn't? I have a pic that shows her speech on TelePrompTer she did on CPAC. Besides that, everyone else who spoke at CPAC had TelePrompTers in front of them. Are you going to say none of the speakers used them?
Not only that, she is well known for writing notes on her hand? With all sarcasm I say that is very presidential of her, in addition to that in a place like google images you see dozens of pictures of her speaking in front of teleprompters.
It is hypocritical to bad mouth someone else for the same things she is doing. In addition, she told many lies during her CPAC speech
http://shortwavepirate.info/WBNY/?p=4489
Yep – stopped donating to Republican Party before election and after years and years of support – they are not going my way so its the highway for them – they are on their own as so many are going more towards libertarian ideals for less government including many younger people I know.
Suppose there are people in this world, call them 1%ers, who have so much money and so much power, that every day people cannot even imagine what their life is like. You could compare them to the puppetmaster who controls the puppet strings, such as you see representing the “Godfather” movies, think George Soros. Suppose these power people want a One World Government where they would control everything in the world and have fortunes and power even greater than they have now. Suppose this has been in the works for centuries, speeding up for the last seven decades, but not fast enough. Americans have stubbornly held on to traditional God-based beliefs and the Constitution. Suppose these puppetmasters have actually been in charge of the final selection of at least one presidential candidate in each election, and even reponsible for a “weak” opponent? Suppose these puppetmasters controlled the media, either by owning it, or having a huge finiancial connection and they could dictate what the media reports? Suppose these puppetmasters had enough power that they could corrupt most politicians, once they get to Washington, either by blackmail or by appealing to thier love of money and power? Suppose these puppetmasters weakened our moral values by desensitizing the world, making people believe what was wrong, is now right, and what was right is now wrong and intolerant? Suppose America wasn’t succumbing to their progressive-based ideals quickly enough by holding on to conservative values and our Constitution, so they decide to speed things up by selecting a black candidate who embraces their own ideals (even though he can’t speak without a tele-prompter), who has nothing but disdain for Americans and the American Constitution, who can split this country in half with racial discord?
How do we get this great country off those puppet strings??? I liked Dr. Ben Carson, but I have heard that he is not a total supporter of the 2nd Amendment. I believe Mychal has said that. At all cost, we need to hold on to our Constitutional right to bear arms.
But the main thing, as a country, we have turned out back on God and his blessings upon this country. This has allowed the puppetmasters to get a firm foothold. We need to embrace the God-based principles that our country was founded on, our forefathers dedicated American to God.
It has been proven over and over and over, since the creation of man in the Garden of Eden; if we turn our backs on God, he will no longer bless us. He gives us time to repent, but eventually, the time runs out.
God bless us all, we are in for a fight.
this could be the great society created by LBJ when they raided SS (1964 or 65) yes these folks were out in force in November 2012 touting the clowns doing their duty. ( they don’t wear their head on their shoulders-it is a lot lower-in that dark cavity, Look around at the great society-the schools are full of kids taking meds for ADD, kids can’t read, write or balance a checkbook, in need of special bilingual teachers. people who wait for taxpayers to support them and their families. People who procreate without concern, they cannot teach children right from wrong because they don’t have a clue about it.
I am of the opinion that these people of whom we are speaking may have voted against obama, but I am wondering what the figures really are for the way in which this last “election” was handled. I do not believe the numbers that seemed to have put him back in the White House. obama stole this last election, in my opinion. There was apparently so much voter fraud that how could he not have won. There was reported to be considerable fraud in his first election also, what with the dead tripping out of their coffins long enough to run to the polls to vote for him.
Mychal, Several people who would usually have voted Repub. told me they voted for Obama because Romney was more frightening to them. We need a much stronger, better candidate. Are you running next election?
Let’s KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) this issue of where were voters last November. All the points made previously have validity. However, they can analyze the 2012 election for years and never have a real answer. I believe the main impacts to the election results come down to two voting groups: Ron Paul Libertarian supporters and Evangelists. After the convention, rather than joining with their other Republicans, the Paul supporters had a temper tantrum to the point that they STAYED HOME and DID NOT VOTE rather than vote for Romney. Evangelists will not vote for anyone who is not a Christian. This part of their faith – and Romney being a Mormon is not considered a Christian. (And probably they didn’t consider Obama a Christian either – possibly.) Nevertheless, they most likely STAYED HOME and DID NOT VOTE. (When the ailing Billy Graham put a full page ad in newspaper urging followers to vote, it was sign we were in trouble.) In doing so, both of these groups ensured the re-election of Obama, the president they adamantly opposed. This could easily have accounted for more than 3 million votes Romney need to win – votes that were expected to support him. There’s an old saying, “You can bite off your nose to spite your face.” – and they did.
Also, I don’t totally buy all the analyses of the political pundits. A lot is hype for them. While minority groups do impact elections, to fully do so to the extent reported, 100% of these voters must come out. Based on the 2010 census, the US is 30% minority and 70% white. A large percentage of the minorities are not eligible voters (both legal green card holders and illegal aliens). Even if you concluded that 100% of minorities voted – and only for Obama, he would still need a significant white vote. Based on the polls being 50/50 in the final days of the campaign, Obama’s slim victory indicates some major voting groups STAYED HOME and DID NOT VOTE at all. It had to be the extremists Republicans that would not concede their convention loss and back their other Republicans.
Mychal, I feel the only way to win is if the uninformed public becomes informed and acts on it. The black vote couldn't have put him over the top, it was more like the women and Latino vote. When you take into account say 100% of the black, the majority of the Jewish vote (don't understand that), large percent of the Asian vote, large percent of the women's vote, most of the Latino vote, youth vote and fraud, it was a sure thing. That petty much did leave the 2% to appeal to that Mitt talked about. With the growing Latino population, Republicans need to find a way to reach them. The mainstream "media" played a major part in the election and reelection and until that changes, we will have a misinformed population of different groups. Divine aid isn't going to happened since Jesus said he was no part of this world.
How sad that most Americans are now second guessing their emotoinally charged decision in retaining Obama in office for a second term! All of the warning signs were visibly within their midst prior to his so-called historical 2008 election bid! The man accomplished virtually nothing politically impressive as far as his senatorial background was concerned.Yet not one of his supporters even those within his own party, were able to publicly highlight his most visible assets to elaborate on, which assured them that he was going to be a strong & effective leader!
Even the complicit non-news media with the possible exception of some of the commentators on the Fox News Channel such as Glenn Beck & Sean Hannity, did everything possible in concealing the real Obama who grew up in an environment which exposed him to some of the most nefarious enemies of Christianity & America’s sovereignty. Notorious individuals such as Lucifer’s infamous disciples, including Saul Alinskey, Bill Ayers & black liberation activist & pseudo Reverend, Jeremiah Wright,
Now these same individuals who in the name of “celebrating diversity” & “righting the past wrongs of slavery by elevating America’s “First Black President” are licking their wounds, while recognizing that their misguided vote has contributted to their own personal mishaps as well as the rest of our nation!
A perfect storm….
Mychal, I have been wondering the same thing. How can over 60% of the people disapprove of where the country is heading and just this individual was re-elected. I have to agree with another poster (Nancy) who wrote that obama constantly distances himself from the issues by always saying he is against them and how he is going to fix them. Plus he always blames the republicans so it never looks like he is the problem. Yet in actuality he is the problem and is doing absolutely nothing to fix anything. Who am I kidding, he doesn't want to fix anything. He just wants to make it worse. When will the rest of America wake up!!!!!
Aside from the voter fraud that elected the %$^(^$ to another term, most low info voters voted based on headlines and sound bites. They did not bother to research a persons actual record, or determine what they have done. I don’t believe the GOP will ever win again, because even more conservatives will withhold their vote. Especially when they are prepping the likes of J. Bush or Rubio as the next “conservative” for the low information voter.
Ryan comes out with a bold plan to balance the budget????? It actually reduces spending from about 46T, to 42T over 10 years. Balanced? Cuts? On the path to fiscal soundness? They must think we are stupid.
There were an awful lot of Caucasians that voted for Obama and the Dems, so we can’t blame this on the blacks and hispanics.
Now, a week or so past, a friend sent me the column, “Why I Dislike the Obamas’. Truth to tell, Mr Massie here is not in my league when it comes to despising and detesting the Obamas and the Dems—-and I am registered Independent in that I dislike both parties and their ideologies. Why do we so dislike these people? Behind every word and deed lies the essential moral character. When we examine all this, we find that these people simply have NO moral character worth a tinker’s dam. Everything they say and do reflects an indescribable evil. All their words and ideologies and policies have moral dimensions. Look at these and we see the utter malice born of the Devil, the Father of Lies.
In at least 100 counties in Pennsylvania Romney did not receive one vote. That’s an amazing statistic since he and Obama were neck and neck I believe in that state. But, your question is the one for which we don’t seem to have an answer. Even though I was not thrilled with the Republican nominee, I was stunned to see that the American electorate returned this guy to the White House and the same culprits helping him achieve his disastrous record to Congress. I am now hearing the black community here in Texas complaining that he hasn’t turned out to be what they thought he would be: a role model for black youth. Were they in solitary confinement without any access to what was happening in this country under his administration? But this is a country which celebrates the talents of Lady Gaga and Kanye so I guess Obama isn’t such an aberration to the idea of what a president should be. We must change this or we are doomed. We can’t afford to have a government that we fear.
I agree with Rush Limbaugh, who says that Obama has somehow managed to disassociate himself from all the negative things that are going wrong with the country. He simply campaigns against it as though it somehow happened and he has to "fix" it. He is truly an amazing creature.
I'm not convinced that the crowds of people I saw for the first time at the polls were voting for Obama. I think something smells pretty rotten in this past election, but who could prove it.
Well when you have people voting 6 times for Obama and many counties having over 100% turnout, I think you have your answer. Nobody seems all that concerned about voter fraud but I am massively concerned because if it isn't stopped how can conservatives ever get back in office. I think the majority of conservative voters just wouldn't feel right about voting more than once, but not the case with Liberals that think the ends justify the means!!!
sadly true!
Well, Mykal, I do agree with you that we have a lot of low info voters who voted for Obama for less than intelligent reasons. The main one being that the majority of African American voters and Hispanic voters voted for him simply because he wasn't Caucasian. They've been led to believe that White men want to keep them down and keep them from having anything – therefore, it only makes sense to them that voting for a White guy over a Black guy would be a bad thing to do.
I was just recently watching a 'man on the street' video that Jimmy Kimmel did. They were asking people if they thought that Obama should have "sent the sequester to Portugal". I doubt most of them even knew where Portugal was, but it was obvious that none of them knew what the sequester was. One of the two Black people interviewed (most of them were White) was as least honest. She stood there and said that she didn't know anything about a sequester, but she'd only voted for Obama because he was Black. Yep, there you have it. Rampant, outright racism in full bloom.
Yes, the Republican olde guard needs to get out of the way and let people like Cruz, Paul (the younger), Ryan and Rubio take over. They are the only chance the Party has of reaching the younger voters and the minority voters. I'd also really love to see Ben Carson throw his hat in the ring. I think that's one man who would get not only conservative votes, but a good number of liberal votes and most of the independent votes, as well.
And Lori, do you actually think a Jimmy Kimmell on the street interview represents a whole electorate? And I guess you assume every person who votes for the gop is a "high information voter?"
Rubio was polled against Hillary Clinton for 2016 and lost. Ben Carson would be interesting to see, because he has NO POLITICAL EXPERIENCE-you know the same thing people on the right try to attach to President Obama.
Obama didn't not only have no political experience, he didn't have any experience at all. He had nothing accomplished in his life. NOTHING! He never had a real job, he never ran a business. NOTHING. Befriending himself with extremists and criminals cannot be seen as accomplishments and. Using his name and the name of Dr. Ben Carson in the same sentence is like insulting Dr. Carson
Oh, with all sarcasm I guess being a state senator and a US Senator does not count? And I guess being a professor and an Editor at Harvard Review does not count either?
That's right. I remember Mitt Romney called President Obama an elitist because he went to Harvard. Romney forgot to mention, though, he attended Harvard as well.
Extremist and criminals? You should not talk about your political affiliation like that, Kurt.
Right now in the stale air of the far right, anyone who speaks out against President Obama is consider a candidate for 2016. And let's just cut to the chase about Dr. Ben Carson and the fawning some people do on the right for him: he is a brilliant brain surgeon, but he STILL does not have political experience. He has not been VETTED, and as soon as something about RACE comes out of his mouth that does not favor conservatives and the tea party they will collectively discard any aspirations may have. On top of that, the mainstream GOP, Tea Party, or conservatives are ready to elect a black candidate.
@Courtney Sherrod, I disagre. I think that many conservatives would be perfectly happy with a black candidate. I know a great many of my conservative friends think that Dr. Carson would make a great president. As for vetting him – no, he has no political experience, per se. However, as the head surgeon at a large hospital, he has learned not only to think things through analytically, to work with people and to help people work together. I'd welcome you to find something other than the fact that he's never been in politics before wrong with him.
@Lori. More than likely you and quite a few others will be happy with black candidate UNTIL they call out racism from the right. Do you need examples:
Colin Powell, Herman Cain, Bill Cosby.
The biggest qualifier you have for Ben Carson being better than President Obama is that he worked in a large hospital and can analyze things he knows more than the CURRENT President how to run this country? And he is qualified to deal with budgets, foreign policy, debt, Israel, the Middle East, Korea, China, business, unemployment, 535 Congressmen and women, education, gun violence, health care?
Keep fooling yourself; I am not convinced.
You look down on the 2 out 5 Liberals YOU know and that is determined how the rest of us who vote Democratic think? Honestly, do you think ALL Republicans, Tea Partiers, and conservatives KNOW politics?
All across this page is it all President Obama's, liberals, and other "low information voters," who you blame. But look in the mirror and see it is condescending attitudes that keep people from voting for the GOP.
In 2008 and 2012, from the Republican side you had terrible candidates. John McCain said he would continue Bush's policies and his VP pick, I had ZERO confidence in running this country if something happened to McCain.
The Tea Party, for all of it's bluster, could not even get past the primaries without its candidates fizzling out. Rick Perry said during a debate he gives welfare, college grants, and other things to illegals and the conservative did not say a word. Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Ron Paul, and others would not appeal to mainstream gop, and Mitt Romney told too many lies to even believe if he could follow through on any policies. In fact, CONSERVATIVE economists said they would not work.
Most the tea party was sent home after 2012. Gerrymandering is the only thing keeping this party in DC. Many Republicans and conservatives switched over the Barack Obama in 2012, saying he was more Republican than Mitt Romney. Take some personal responsibility and see these things have NOTHING to do with liberals.
It is the message-or lack thereof-and the messengers.
And you received this powerful knowledge from someone who votes liberal and you consider a "low information voter."
@Courtney Sherrod, I did not say that all conservatives (or people who identify themselves as conservatives) are well educated in politics. I simply mentioned that the liberals that I have met and/or spoken too in forums such as this are sometimes low info voters who have no idea what they are talking about, all while doggedly hanging onto their love for Obama. I
@Lori.
Your selective view on history is something. But on January 20, 2009,
the top Republicans leaders spurned President Obama's offer of dinner and decided to meet amongst themselves to tank the economy if they had to, in order to pin everything on the POTUS. I guess you did not hear Mitch McConnell's refrain: "We want to make President Obama a one-term president." And you want to say President Obama does not want to work with Republicans? They never gave him a chance.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/08/1098434/-Eric-Cantor-Paul-Ryan-Kevin-McCarthy-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz
Contrary to popular misinformation, liberals do not think all conservatives are racist. There is a difference between disagreeing with a President's policies and blatant racism: this is blatant racism in the link below. When there is blatant racism most conservatives will not speak out against this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/20/jules-manson-obama_n_1161044.html
Executive Orders? Lori if you want to say President Obama is circumventing the constitution through Executive Order, then you would have to say the same for EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT BECAUSE THEY USED EXECUTIVE ORDERS ALSO. Case in point: The Emancipation Proclamation was done through Executive Order. Read it for yourself.
The country was going bankrupt long before President Obama came into office. Republican Presidents have raised the debt ceiling higher and more times than Democratic ones. Borrowing from other countries started with Nixon-not President Obama.
Is is the President Obama's fault that companies are making record profits but are not hiring people to work? Instead, they are moving their operations overseas…with the blessing of Republicans who refuse to end the tax breaks to companies who make Americans unemployed. Regulations have NOTHING to do with this, and neither does the President.
Even as Mitt Romney was running for President, he was dismantling a company to move overseas
http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2012/09/26/romney-to-export-illinois-jobs-on-election-day/
So like I said: your take on what is really going on is very slanted. Here is some truth for you to take in.
Obama was never a professor. He was a guest lecturer.
And the point is what? He was still a state and US Senator from IL. Still more years of political experience that he has over Dr. Ben Carson AND Rand Paul combined. Regardless of Barack Obama's experience, blacks, white, Hispanics, Asians, young and old, Republicans and conservatives elected him to be president in 2008 as well as 2012.
There are some people who decided to complain everyday of this presidency from 2008-2012, and most those same people will complain everyday From January 20, 2013-January 19, 2017. Regardless what you or anybody else feels, he was elected President of the United States.
@ Courtney, Seriously? Okay, liberals laugh at conservatives and call them a bunch of conspiracy nuts and you believe this drivel hook, line and sinker? Show me the tape of their meeting. Show me a secret video of it. No, all you have is a story that supposedly tells what happened at the meeting, if there even was one, written by a writer who wanted to write a political story that people would buy. Give me a break. I cannot believe you think that any one of the men who supposedly met that night would be stupid enough to say such things in front of a writer. They would have to be insane or mentally deficient to do something so dimwitted. It would be a death knell to their careers if they did (and if anyone actually believed that they did – hence the reason that it hasn’t been, because no one seriously believes they would be dumb enough to do so. So, again I say, seriously?
Also, as Judi Gad said above, Obama was never a professor, he was a guest lecturer.
As for the long haired nut-case who made threats against the president, well 'nough said. There are nuts aplenty on both sides of the argument, I'm sure. I'm sure if I wanted to take the time to research it I could find some nutcase who ran for office on the democrat ticket who once threatened a republican president. So what, exactly, are you trying to prove?
Plus, true, the country was in bad shape before Obama came into office. However, he has done nothing but spend, spend, spend and blow money like a kid blowing bubbles. Here's a little link of my own regarding his regulations (and lies): http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-economic-sleight-of-hand/
He's borrowed more than any president before him and the debt has risen more than ever before under any other president. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/
So, please, enough with the "it's Bush's fault" excuses. Obama had a democrat controlled Congress for the first two years of his presidency and all he did was make an unholy mess of things. He can't even manage to sit down with both sides of the Congress and work on a budget, for heaven's sake! The man has zero leadership skills, to add to his apparent inability to understand that spending money without end is a bad, bad thing.
Oh, and btw, I'm not a republican (independent) and I didn't think Romney was a great choice either. However, being intentionally blind, deaf and dumb to Obama's serious mishandling of the economy (and just about everything else) since he took office can't make the fact that he's done nothing but screw up since day one any less true. However, you are so blind to your precious savior's faults that it's obvious you won't see anything other than that he's perfect and anything said to the contrary has to be wrong, even if you have to spout crap like the first link you quoted. So, thereby, I give up trying to even discuss it with you. You cannot debate a brick wall. Have a great day!
@Lori. I left you a link on my last post. Here it is:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/08/1098434/-Eric-Cantor-Paul-Ryan-Kevin-McCarthy-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz
I know it hard for you to believe the Republicans will do this, because YOU have fell for the lines hook, line, and sinker, but if it were not true than 15 Republicans who met should be suing the author of that book, am I correct? And the Daily Kos should have printed a retraction-and the right wing media will have a field day.
The fact it is true, based upon their voting records and the way they opposed President Obama on things THEY stood for like Tax breaks and fair trade with others countries like Asia…that does not tell the story for you?
Here is an example for you: Paul Ryan said the other day Republicans helped write Obamacare
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/13/1710231/paul-ryan-makes-big-admission-republicans-helped-write-obamacare/
This is true because Mitt Romney also sent his advisers to set up the plan on a national level.
http://www.nationalreview.com/primary-event/279751/obama-administration-asked-romneycare-advisers-obamacare-advice-katrina-trinko
The National Review is a right-leaning news source, so taken away from you is the "liberal bias" factor. Basically what this shows is the duplicity on Republicans who speak against Obamacare yet work behind the scenes to make it happen. Because originally the Founding Fathers started the individual mandate, then conservatives tinkered with it in the 1990.
So read the political facts and soon you will discover, Lori, you have been deceived by those who say they are conservatives and the Tea Party.
It will be a hurtful feeling and a bad day.
I think you're mistaking their wanting to just ignore the book and not make an issue with it, thereby making it even more of an issue, with their admitting it's true. Like you ignore a rumor that isn't true, rather than make a big issue of it, thereby making people believe it has to be true. Ever hear the Shakespeare line, "Methinks he doth protest too much"? As for Obamacare, the Republicans have always said that it had some good points. The problem is the ways that it goes far beyond being a good healthcare law that helps people get coverage and becomes a socialized, govt. controlled medical act. It also has provisions for a civilian army. (Sound strangely nazi to you? It does to me!) Why does he need this? We have a Nat. Guard and a military, why does he need this? http://askmarion.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/obama-gets-civilian-army-in-healthcare-bill/
There are other problems with the healthcare law, like the cons listed here: http://blog.debate.org/2012/06/29/the-pros-and-cons-of-obamacare-a-simple-guide/
Plus there are all of the hidden taxes, like taxes on a ton of different medical 'devices', some of which will even raise prices for veterinary care! http://www.newsmax.com/GroverNorquist/Obamacare-20-hidden-taxes/2012/06/29/id/443995
So, yes, the Republicans agree with some of the Obamacare plan. They also have opposed some of Obama's plans, which have incorporated some of what they wanted, because of other provisions that they didn't agree with. Since when is this new? It's a common practice to stuff a bill with all sorts of pork and try to get it passed, hoping that the opposition will pass it just to get the parts that they want.
@Courtney – Daily Kos , Huffington Post, Think Progress.. Hmm that's right, no skewing of reality there ! LOL I finally can respond like the no- nothing leftists who think its clever to castigate others by using "Faux News" ! Even tho your National Review link was to NRO not the publication, which just shows you their validity, you never see any likley honest reports on D-Kos.
Read a months worth (any month) of Thomas Sowells columns, come back and let us know what he's off base on. http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp
Of course the site you posted are skewed to the left-just like National Review, Townhall, Hot Air, Newsmax, and Newsbusters are skewed to the right.
As for Thomas Sowell, he is a conservative economist. I disagree with his views about liberals expanding the welfare state while ignoring corporate welfare and the fact Red States are higher welfare recipients than blue ones. And where does his theories promoting lower taxes justify the deficits and debt that comes with fail?
Courtney, I hesitate to mention this, but have you seen the population map that show racial concentrations in the U.S.? Check that out and then compare it to the food stamp map. It may have much less to do with Conservative v. Liberal voting statistics and more to do with the likelihood of low income groups.
http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/map
Sowell is just a "conservative economist" ! What month's worth of columns did you read? When I posted the link I didn't know his 4 part "Intellectuals and Race " columns where just posted. Did you read them?
@Allen Clark. I read what Thomas Sowell wrote. And it is BUNK!!!!!!!
First, he dismisses the number of blacks as a “folly,” in order to highlight genocide in Europe, the Ottoman Empire, and the Chinese in Asia. Some people call him the top economist in America, but he is no historian. Estimates of the total number of blacks from slavery and lynching come close to 100,000,000. I have seen estimates as high as 280 million.
Sowell neglects to mention during those lynching how innocent people were hung, bodies burned and cities and black communities plundered, women raped, and men castrated.
The second point I will highlight is his dismissal of multiculturalism. America has, for centuries, suppressed the history of Africa in the civilization was founded there and the Greek scholars went to the continent to learn science, medicine, philosophy, and mathematics. Most of the world natural resources like gold, oil, and diamonds lay in Africa. Today, some factions of the Tea Party are trying to wipe out American history by sanitizing it and eliminating slavery from history books. America needs to know the accomplishments of others people who come from other lands as well. Most the people who have problems with these concepts are those who feel like the only thing we should learn about is what Americans did. Multiculturalism is not claiming victim hood. Instead it is learning about other people, culture, and foster the opportunity to eliminate prejudice not build it.
So like I said, this piece of work is bunk. I don’t accept his economic views, and I definitely do no accept his hit-piece on race and intelligence.